Thursday, July 9, 2020

Nikolay Dolgopolov: The Story of Zoya Zarubina, Veteran NKVD Intelligence Officer and Translator

Veteran journalist Nikolay Dolgopolov, now deputy Editor-in-Chief of the Russian state-owned daily newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta, is one of the most popular writers on intelligence history in contemporary Russia. He has written the biographies of Kim Philby, Rudolf Abel (Viliam Fisher), Nadezhda Troyan, and Gevork Vartanyan. In early 2020, he published his memoir From Dolgopolov’s Notebook: From Francoise Sagan to Rudolf Abel.

Dolgopolov's text about Olga Zarubina was published in the April 14, 2020 issue of Rossiyskaya Gazeta. Below is my English translation available only on this blog.

Nikolay Dolgopolov: Intelligence in Zarubina’s Translation

Rossiyskaya Gazeta April 14, 2020

Intelligence Officer, Translator, Pedagogue Zoya Vasilyevna Zarubina would have turned 100 at this time

For half a century I was not at my alma mater, now Moscow State Linguistic University. So much has changed. They took me to a new building, showed me around, but I looked for that which was left over, for the old, the familiar. And, walking along the second floor, I stopped. Here in this corner was the location of the program for translators at the U.N. - the cherished dream of all translators of the country. The elegant, always well-dressed Zoya Vasilyevna Zarubina directed this program with her iron hand. She was the one who founded the program somewhere in the second half of the 1960s.

The program does not exist now. Gone is also Zoya Vasilyevna, who lived a long, difficult, interesting life, and died in 2009 at the age of 88. But Zarubina is remembered by everyone who has ever met her, listened to her lectures in excellent English, which was so different from the way we students spoke. She was both strict and benevolent, she beamed with confidence which she also inexplicably inspired in us as well, us, young people who dreamed of becoming translators. Looking at her, I felt - study hard, work hard, and you will certainly get what you want.

But something else was also present in this woman that was not there in the other professors of these tightly balanced 1970s. In those years of disciplined stagnation, and even in such a “travel-permitting” university [enabling graduates to go abroad], there was not a lot of gossip and intrigue. But almost everyone understood that, among the professors of foreign languages, there were also those who entered the rank of “teachers" [English in the original] from intelligence.

Sometimes something unusual was also heard about Zoya Vasilyevna Zarubina. Of course, no one could guessed, or had ever heard, that her father, Vasily Mikhailovich Zarubin, a major general, was a station chief of [Soviet] intelligence in several countries, including the United States, and that her mother, Olga Georgievna, also worked undercover with him before the divorce. They took Zoya with them to different countries, and she involuntarily saw everything and learned a lot. Intelligence was almost in her genes.

And all this experience could not but turn Zarubina into a truly European woman, unusual for us at that time. Maybe we involuntarily reached out to her, since she had been behind the “Iron Curtain” and paved the road there for her young students.

She shared her experiences as an intelligence officer-translator with a few talented young people. She taught a special course for a narrow circle of those who could, if selected, follow in her footsteps. Some succeeded in doing so.

It is a pity that my acquaintance with Zarubina at the university did not last longer. I really wanted to attend the UN program. However, life took me in a different direction. I did not have the luxury of spending additional years at school. My parents retired, were frequently ill, and I went to Iran as a translator to earn money. Still, there was some talk of entering the “Zarubina’s circle.” My father knew her from Nuremberg, where young Zoe worked as a translator in the most important international legal process in history. He remembered that at rare evening parties arranged by the Soviet delegation, Zoya Zarubina danced beautifully. On the wall in our apartment, among various big and small paintings, hung a pencil sketch of the artist Zhukov, capturing many of those who were there at the time. My father was dancing with a young woman, and my mother, not without reason being jealous of my dad, was for some reason sure that this was that same beauty. It’s a pity, but when I left home for several years, the drawing disappeared without a trace.

Surprisingly, it turned out that after the university I was well acquainted with Zarubina’s daughter - Tanya Kozlova. We worked together as translators in the most “travel-permitting” institution of the former country — the Sports Committee of the USSR. Several times I went abroad with Tatyana, we had mutual friends. But never, never (again, genetics?) did Tanya tell me that she was Zarubina’s daughter, and that Zarubina’s stepfather was the famous general Leonid Eitingon, one of the main organizers of Trotsky’s assassination, who planned and carried out the most ingenious Soviet intelligence operations before and after the war. And who went to prison after the fall of Beria. Tanya even published a book with his letters from prison. Eitingon was, of course, later rehabilitated.

The Intelligence Work with Her Stepfather

Perhaps it was with her stepfather at a young age of seven that Zarubina completed her first serious mission. Eitingon served in China in 1927 when local and not at all peaceful inhabitants attacked our consulate. They pushed everyone into one room. And Eitingon, who worked under a diplomatic cover, quietly whispered to his stepdaughter: try to get into the apartment and take out the bundle hidden there. Zoya quietly slipped out of the dining room, reached the apartment in the consulate, where everything was turned upside down by the Chinese. She quickly found the package that remained untouched. And, calmly walking past the watchful Chinese guards, she gave it to Eitingon. In the possession of a gun that was wrapped in rags, everybody felt much safer.

In principle, there was nothing unusual in that situation. Intelligence officers of all countries and nations use children as cover. The heroes of my books on intelligence told me how the kids assisted them. For instance, people with children or with strollers are involuntarily everywhere perceived, if not with positive emotion, then at least with a certain degree of respect. The loss of vigilance on the part of counterintelligence is understandable. Some who worked under the cover of an embassy or trade mission admitted that they often transported, or handed over secret documents, hiding them in diapers or in a stroller. And this never failed.

Sportswoman, Translator, Intelligence Officer

As Zoya was growing up, she got into sports. She trained in the “Young Dynamo” Club, of course. She preferred athletics, she was a great runner.

She studied well and entered the prestigious IFLI - the Chernyshevsky Institute of Philosophy, Literature and Art, which was closed in 1941. This was a kind of the prototype of today's MGIMO and provided a brilliant education. In addition, she learned English when she was a child: in China, she went to an American school and so she did not have any Russian accent.

But the war came, and, after two years at IFLI, Zarubina made a firm decision: she wanted to go to the front. The army personnel officers did not let her – she was much too valuable to be a frontline soldier. Prior to studying at IFLI, she dreamed of becoming an intelligence officer. But her family dissuaded her: [they said] we already have too many intelligence officers. But the path to an intelligence career was open now. With her knowledge of English, French and German, where else could she go?

The Hostess in Tehran-1943

Some people who are in the know tried to convince me that she was not at the Tehran Conference. Her daughter Tanya was too small at the time to be left behind. But, at my request, those who truly know looked into her personal file: she was definitely there, but they could not go into details.

The good-looking lieutenant of state security (only a few knew that) Zoya Zarubina was in charge of the communications between the delegations of the USSR, the U.S., and Great Britain. She communicated with British Prime Minister Churchill, but mostly with the U.S. President Roosevelt, who lived in the Soviet embassy. The Americans considered her a kind of hostess, a mistress of the house.

Her activities as a hostess whose linguistic abilities the Anglo-Saxons were dependent on were not only limited to that. Such are the laws of her chosen profession. Zarubina did a lot of good, as noted (and most recently confirmed) by her official service record.

She had approximately the same duties at the conferences in Yalta, Potsdam, and at the Nuremberg Tribunal. True, in Nuremberg, some already knew that Zoya was mostly translating the documents that were of interest to our intelligence.

The Confrontation for the Non-Peaceful Atom

But, of course, Zoya Vasilyevna Zarubina was not only engaged in operational work. Who would have done the translations then? This became a burning question when top secret documents concerning nuclear issues began coming from the U.S., Great Britain, and Canada.

How to translate such documents was not taught at any university. Even the experienced technical translators were desperate. Academician Kurchatov, who led the Soviet atomic project, and was the only one who read all the translations, was not satisfied. Why did he get all that nonsense? And Zarubina was one of the first who, overcoming annoyance, strove to understand the unheard-of terminology. As many translators do, she compiled her own little dictionary. She talked to Kurchatov’s subordinates and tried hard to understand how it all fitted together. 

Hundreds and hundreds of pages of documents had to be translated into Russian. I suppose Zoya figured out that many of those that came from the U.S. went through her father, the station chief Vasily Zarubin. You cannot escape your fate. Intelligence was meant to be and did become a family affair [for her].

But the struggle against “cosmopolitanism” became the order of the day in the USSR. As a result of a purge, her stepmother was forced to leave intelligence. In 1948, her father was pushed into retirement. Then came the turn of her stepfather: he was imprisoned for a long time. Zoya Zarubina, a language teacher at the MGB [Ministry of State Security], was asked to cast aspersions on Eitingon. So what? Just think, your stepfather. The alternative: leaving the job. And, without any hesitation, Zoya Vasilyevna left.

But, as we know, she triumphed anyway. She became a professor. After several years of not being permitted to travel, the ban was lifted. She created her own language school: she organized the program for U.N. translators.

... That's what I recalled at my alma matter. Zoya Vasilyevna is remembered there. And not only there.

 

Tuesday, July 7, 2020

The Dossier Center: The FSB Price List for Hacking and Surveillance

In its well-researched, critical report on the activities of the FSB, the Dossier Center, an organization funded by the exiled Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, claims to have acquired a price list for the FSB services that violate Russian and international laws.  

Below is my English translation of this part of the report which includes the FSB price list for illegal services.

A Dossier source, who worked for the special service [FSB] (s9), stated that it is a widespread practice for the FSB to provide its services to private individuals on a commercial basis. In the cases like these, there are special price lists which enumerate the services such as, for example, providing information from non-public databases and wiretapping. The source gave the Dossier Center the copy of a price list enumerating some of the [illegal] services provided by the FSB.

General Information:

1.       A dossier of an individual - $100 (includes passport data, Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN), Pension Insurance Personal Account Number (SNILS), information on property, vehicles, related individuals, share in legal entities and individual businesses, criminal records, police searches, income, as well as archival data, phone numbers, email addresses);

2.        An expanded dossier of an individual - $500 (includes the information listed in paragraph 1 as well as the information about the movements of this individual by any means of transport, loans, relatives, the numbers of all bank accounts, internal and international passports with photos).

Mobile communications, email, instant messengers:

1.   The printout of an individual’s phone calls indicating geolocation - $1,000–1,500 depending on the mobile service operator;

2.    Hacking an individual’s instant messenger and data upload - from $3,000;

3.     Hacking an individual’s email with ability to access it online - from $1,000 per month of access;

4.     Hacking social media accounts – from $300;

5.     Wiretapping and recording mobile phone conversations - $3,000 per day, seven days minimum;

6.      Determining the location of an individual during the period of 24 hours - from $1,000;

7.      Determining the owner of the phone number, as well as the IMEI number of the device, other phone numbers registered on the same person, the address of the owner of the phone number - from $100;

8.  Information whether an individual’s phone number is already under surveillance - $3,000.

Information from current databases:

A printout from any database of interest (including the databases of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Prison Service, the State Road Traffic Safety Inspectorate, the Federal Tax Service, the Civil Registry Office, the Federal Court Bailiff Service, the Federal Pension Fund, the Federal Registration Service, the Border Guard Service, Russian banks, and Interpol) - from $100.

Financial information:

1.       Every bank account number an individual has in all the banks of the Russian Federation - $100;

2.       The account balance - from $100 per account;

3.       All transaction flows – from $300.

The similar services are also provided for legal entities. According to the source, this practice is common in all FSB units which have access to shared databases. In addition to these services, it is also possible to obtain the external surveillance of a chosen individual. Most often, the FSB Operational Tracking Department is employed for this task.

 

Monday, July 6, 2020

Moskovsky Komsomolets: Interview of Yury Shevchenko, Veteran KGB/SVR Illegal Intelligence Officer

On June 16, 2020, one of the most popular Russian daily newspapers Moskovsky Komsomolets published an interview of a former KGB/SVR illegal intelligence officer Yury Shevchenko. The interview was conducted by Eva Merkacheva, a veteran journalist who has written extensively on the Russian intelligence community and is a recipient of the SVR literary award. Below is my English translation available only on this blog.

Eva Merkacheva: Interview with Former KGB/SVR Illegal Intelligence Officer Yury Shevchenko

Moskovsky Komsomolets June 16, 2020 

- Yuri Anatolyevich, you are an architect by training. When you were recruited by [Soviet] foreign intelligence, did you think that they could use your architectural and artistic expertise?

- Of course. And I think they did the right thing to find a person like me. I did not dream of becoming an intelligence officer, not at all. When a teacher asked me: "Yurochka, who do you want be?" – I answered that I only wanted to be an architect.

- Where did such a dream come from?

- I once went with my grandmother to a village in the Kuban region. We passed through Stalingrad. I looked around: the train station was in ruins. There was broken equipment all around. The steppe was all scorched, black. It was awful. Imagine, it was evening, the train passed by a small village, and the following image remained in my memory forever: a garden and a scarecrow: some kind of a shirt and a human skull instead of the head. All that struck me so powerfully, that, though still a small boy, I decided: in order for this never to happen again, it is necessary to build, to construct. I will draw up buildings and cities, I will become an architect. Well, once I made that decision, I needed to make it come true. So, I graduated from the Children's Art School No. 1 in Moscow. Our teachers were great. I had to study in two schools at the same time: I have two graduation certificates – one from the art school and the other from the regular school. I ran from one school, where I was in the morning shift, quickly ate, and ran to another. And when did I have time to do the homework? So, I had to train myself to remember everything that the teachers said. That’s how I developed great memory that came in very handy in my intelligence work.

After high school, I entered the Moscow Architectural Institute. The professors said about me: students like you are born once every 100 years. I was already a celebrity, because I turned out to be the only and the last recipient of the Stalin scholarship and the first recipient of the Lenin scholarship in the history of the Moscow Architectural Institute. The director of the institute (that’s like the rector now) Nikolaev said: “Yur, don’t worry about a job, you’ll stay with us. In 3 years, you’ll have your PhD and in 5 years, your habilitation.” I answered: Yes, I’ll do it. I knew it would be simple. "Well, I’ll work as an assistant to the head of the department of industrial architecture." The member of the Academy Fesenko was the head of the department, an excellent teacher, a good architect, and a great organizer of the educational process, but already at the age of retirement, a replacement had to be found for him. The faculty decided that I deserved to be his successor. One day recently, while visiting friends, I met Fesenko’s son. He said to me: “My father told me a lot about you. He said that there was such a talented student by the name of Shevchenko, the best student he ever had. And then he said regretfully that this student later disappeared somewhere. I told him: "Dad, I think he got a job in intelligence."

- Wow, they found you out! How did you disappear?

- I did not disappear right away. First, (now I know that it was no coincidence) I got enrolled in the architectural school in the GDR in order to master the German language. There I lived alone to adapt to the German environment. And there was an interesting 3rd secretary of the [Soviet] embassy, ​​who was responsible for all students studying in the GDR. I did not think that he was somehow connected to intelligence and that there was a station, it turns out, nearby. And he often came from the embassy in Berlin to the Weimar Higher Technical School, where I studied, to see how I behaved, whether I was causing any trouble, drinking too much beer.

And after I came back [to Moscow], I met him in the corridor of our institute at Rozhdestvenka. Hello. Hello. “How are you doing? Did you get a job? Are you staying at the institute? I have a better offer for you.” I told him: “I am not interested in anything else, this is my favorite profession, I will teach the architects of the future. And I will be engaged in many creative projects.” “No, I have an even more interesting job in mind. Working with people". - "Well, I will also work with people, with students!" “But you know, this work is connected to going abroad.” Now, that was a real temptation (this was in 1963), to travel abroad. But I was sure that I would travel abroad anyway, I planned to become a member of the International Union of Architects, and they have symposiums in foreign countries.

A few days later, I was called to the personnel department. Oops, there was my 'friend,' sitting at the table and brazenly reading my personal file. I said: “Are my exam papers there? I need to see them to find out why they gave me a “4”.

During all my time at the institute, this was the only “4” I got. He let me have a look. And then he recruited me.

- How did he succeed to persuade you, given that being an architect was your dream job?!

- He said: "We want to offer you to study at the Higher Intelligence School of the Soviet Union." I asked the only question that was on my mind: “Can’t intelligence do without architects?” He said something that sounded enticing (this was probably the shortest recruitment in his life): “No, intelligence does not need architects. But the Motherland needs you. And you only.” I said: "Give me three days to think about it." I didn’t say that because I really needed to think. No, I knew right away that I would accept the offer, because the Motherland called on me. But I had to grieve for three days and wanted nobody to see it.

- A tragedy ...

- Yes, that was a tragedy for me. But having got over the grieving, I never regretted my choice later. And I think that from the very beginning, they knew my being an architect would come in handy. At the Intelligence School, I was asked the question: “How do you think we can use your architect's expertise in intelligence?” I said: “Sorry, I can’t answer this question because I don’t know what intelligence is. ”

- How did being an architect come to manifest itself in intelligence work?

- Oh! They made a foreigner out of me. First, they wanted to make me a German, then they looked at my nose: “What kind of German is he? This is a Frenchman! He’ll hang out with a sketchbook on Montmartre, he will paint the portraits of bohemians” They have come up with my whole life in advance.

In short, I did not dream that I would be an illegal. My profession [as an architect] could be helpful in obtaining a cover from the UNESCO.

By the way, I had no false documents. I was French, I knew who my parents were, where I was baptized, and there was an entry in the registry book that such a boy was born then ... It was all there out in the open. The French authorities issued me the documents. Nothing was fake whatsoever. I was a normal “Frenchman,” and I knew my whole life in France. And how difficult it was, this life. You would cry if I told you about my fictional childhood!

-And you really became an artist on Montmartre?

- Yes! I bought an easel, a sketchbook. A great crowd was always around me. Bohemians - artists, performers.

- And, as I understand it, there were opportunities to get to know people who could then do something for [Soviet] intelligence, bring in some valuable information.

- That was later. I'll tell you an episode from my new life. One fine day I find myself in one European country. As a French painter with a beret. I paint, work in libraries, study art theory, make sketches of ancient monuments. I’m working on an academic thesis “The Penetration of the Moorish Style into European Architecture” ...

- Are you leading me away from the topic?

- Yes, I know how to do that! You asked the right question, why the hell was I there? I had an intelligence assignment. To collect information. It included political, military-political, and economic issues.

- When can an artist know about politics or economics?

- Here again, you ask a great question. This is what my plan was. I decided to open my own business in this foreign country. An architect’s bureau. I knew I needed about 5 employees and a business plan. And I had enough money.

According to my cover, I began my working life in one of the African countries. And so, when a revolution took place there and blood flowed like a river, I left.

- So, according to your cover, you were a very rich artist?

- Yes, I had “an inheritance.” And, according to my plan, I had to find out if there was a possibility of foreign investment in the European country where I ended up. I didn’t know the laws. So I needed to get to know people working in law firms. There are offices that prepare the entire set of documents for registering your business. I went to these offices, started getting acquainted with lawyers ...

You need to sift through a lot of “chaff” before you find one interesting person. The one that has access to classified information. Because he is not just a lawyer, but a government lawyer.

- So that’s how you penetrate politics. How about the economy?

- Well, I'm smart! Before investing, I needed to know what the economic situation [in the country] was! I began establishing contacts in the Chamber of Industry and Commerce, in the Ministry of Economy and Finance.

In general, I found people who have access to classified information. I made friends with them. I would tell them something like this: "I am inviting you for dinner at a restaurant." Everybody likes free food. And then, while there, after a glass of wine, I began asking questions: what will happen tomorrow? What are the main political forces now? And so on and so forth.

- And they were not concerned about that?

- No. They thought that I was worried about the fate of my investments. I told them that I had already lost a lot of money when the revolution took place. If I had known the situation in Africa in advance, I could have saved more of my capital. So I would say jokingly: “I was already shot down once, and so please do not ‘bs’ me ! Tell me what will happen.” And the man would tell me the truth. Why should he lie me? I didn’t need to know these secrets for somebody else. I needed them for myself (according to my cover story).

- And how did you transmit the information later? Have you been with your wife then?

- I was married, but my wife was in another place, also in one of the European countries. Then we were allegedly to meet in Rome, become friends, come close to getting married, but that did not happen. She also played many roles - a student, an architect, just like me. And all this, according to the cover story, do you understand?

Regarding the methods of transmitting information, first you must obtain it. By that time, I did not come across anything particularly valuable. Getting rumors here and there is not what counts. That’s not worth anything to anybody.

But there are places where people relax. The people who know real secrets. And I haven’t reached them yet. I was doing the best I could but the results were so-so.

-And how did you end up finding these valuable sources?

- Here’s what I thought : I need to join some elite club where the cream of society gathers. There were golf clubs, tennis clubs. What could I do? Well, we were taught to play tennis at the intelligence school, we had mandatory classes. But that was difficult: you needed to buy the equipment, then spend many hours on the tennis courts. However, I played chess. Oh! - I thought, - why not use this hobby? I was even some kind of chess champion at school. So I found a club where there was a chess section.

- But you still had to become a member of this club ...

- Imagine this: Saturday, the center of the capital. A magnificent, rich club. There is a serious- looking man standing there: older than me, with a distinguished bearing. I tell him: "How can I enroll in your club and become a member?" - “What’s the matter with you, young man!? You can’t become a member of our club just like that. In order to become a member of our club, you need to have at least two recommendations from those who have already been members for at least one year. And when you get that, then we will consider you for membership. Whether you are worthy of it…" - "Well, I'm an architect, I just got here and I like to play chess. I don’t need your club membership. I see that you have a chess section, and so I just wanted to become a member of that.” “How lucky you are. I’m in charge of the chess section.” Can you imagine, what a coincidence. Then he says: “Okay, come with me, let’s play.” Well, we sat down, began to play blitz. We played for an hour and a half. “Listen, you are playing great! We need you in our chess section. We have a chess tournament coming up. ” He looked up and there were two members of the club playing pool. “Hey, you there, come here quick, write recommendations for him. By the way, what is your name?" And I got in. I became a member of the chess section. And what kinds of great connections I made! An ambassador, retired general, personal friend of the head of state (they fought in the war together). Every day he stopped by the head of state to drink tea with him. He knew everything: what is going in his family, how the old man feels (he was seriously ill), what will happen next ... He knew everything.

There were also powerful businessmen who were political insiders. After playing chess, we would all gather for a glass of cognac or a cup of coffee and discuss political issues. I had an excellent contact – a well-known journalist, foreign correspondent, who covered the Helsinki meeting of the heads of state on security in Europe (when Brezhnev went there, he already had all this information from the Center). And that’s where my information went. The Center wrote: “We approve of your work, everything is fine, but be careful in working with your contacts ...” Well, what else can they write? The information was first-hand and absolutely secret, it was about the main things going on that country in the present and what its future will be.

- Wow! Can you describe one more episode from your career?

This episode is described in more detail in Alexander Bondarenko: An Unknown Spy Operation from the Life of the Recently Declassified KGB/SVR Illegal Intelligence Officer Yury Shevchenko

- So that's how you used your talent as an artist and architect in your intelligence work.

- Yes. I worked out my own methods which will stay with me for as long as I live.

I had it easier than other illegal intelligence operatives. My great friend Hero of Russia Alexei Kozlov began his illegal work abroad as a laundry worker, then became the director of the laundry plant. He had to work from morning to evening. And, as for me, for 40 years of my service in illegal intelligence, I have never had a 9-5 job.

24 hours a day I focused on intelligence, looking for the candidates for recruitment, for secret information. Every day I waited for the moment when my dream will come true. The reason why I wanted this job.

-And what is this dream?

- I set myself a goal in life: I will have lived my life in vain if I didn’t get at least one authentic document with the highest NATO security classification - with the classification “cosmic.” I wanted this document to be in my hands and then to be on the table of the illegal intelligence chiefs. If I didn’t do that, my life would be wasted.

- How many such documents have you obtained?

- There is one dossier where all the documents are collected, the original documents. This dossier has 300 volumes, and each volume 300 pages. Sorry, I can’t multiply, my math is bad.

- And every page is with the classification "cosmic"?

- No, not every page. There are classifications “secret” and “top secret”, because “cosmic” is a NATO classification only. NATO has top secret documents, and this is its highest security classification. Typically, CIA documents have a "top secret" classification, for example, those  documents intended for the military leadership or for the president of the U.S. We [in Russia] call these documents the documents of "special importance", and they [in the U.S.] have the classification "top secret". The president of the U.S. hasn’t read them yet, and our leadership already knows what they are about!

- And each time, when you were obtaining these documents, you were playing the role of an artist?

- The role of an artist or an architect. There were all kinds of miraculous operations. But they remain classified. I will say in general terms. I always found people who could help me. First, I wanted to have the NATO headquarters under control because that was my greatest dream. Secondly, the U.S. presidential administration. U.S. presidents do not need to be recruited; they come and go; here, for example, there is Trump, well, what does he know ... But there are people in his administration who know everything. Intelligence is a sacred task, we need to know everything that they do, what intrigues they are planning against us. The State Department is also an interesting institution, they have secret documents about our mutual relations. Do you know how interesting it is to read secret CIA documents? Here’s one, I remember, I read: “A cargo ship with 26 tanks on board for Iraq left the Novorossiysk port on a certain date.” I thought: how is it that we have such yahoos - they did not conceal our cargo ship going with military equipment to Iraq? I informed those who needed to know in the General Staff: there is such an information, you have been photographed when you sent the goods. They said to me: nothing of the kind, on this day the cargo ship really went to Iraq, but it transported the tractors.

And the Americans claimed that they could see even the stars on the shoulder straps of the ships’ captains. It's comical!

- So you worked in America, too?

I was forbidden to go there. “If you get caught, you’ll end up in jail,” my chiefs told me. “You will be tried in a state where there is a death penalty; nothing less is in store for you. And we don’t want to lose you... We won’t be able to get you out. The Abel case was easy. They don’t like you there. ” I thought - well, I’ll go anyway, if I want to. When I decide to do something, I do it. And I went! And got reprimanded for it.

- By the way, did you get a reprimand for the NATO base?

On this, see Alexander Bondarenko: An Unknown Spy Operation from the Life of the Recently Declassified KGB/SVR Illegal Intelligence Officer Yury Shevchenko.

- Here’s the last question: what are the main qualities a person needs if s/he wants to go into intelligence work?

- The first thing is that they should be patriots. Intelligence is not a craft [with rules]. I believe that it is an art, and every art depends on details. There are never things that are too insignificant.

The second is professionalism. But the key is that intelligence is not just a job, it is the work of the devotees. It is necessary to love this business so much, to give it everything. Why? What is the difference between professionals and devotees? A professional has a job to do, and then is rewarded for the quality and quantity of items produced. If you know how to score goals well - you are sought after, if you do not know how to score goals – tough for you. In intelligence, you should be ready to give everything for the Motherland: this does not only mean your life (that’s not the most difficult, it’s no big deal). But the real sacrifice, for instance, is the fate of your children. We have had such examples where the children are born in a family, they grow up and suddenly say: “Mom, Dad, it turns out that you have been deceiving us all our lives. It turns out you are not the ones you said you were.” These children come here, but they don’t know a single word of Russian. It turns out that they have a grandmother, a grandfather. That is the real sacrifice ... That is the most difficult.

- Tell me, do you sometimes regret that you did not become an architect?

- Not for a minute. If I had to choose again, I would again choose this particular path. Everything that’s necessary will be built by my [other] architect friends. And I was engaged in the most important task - ensuring the security of our country. These things are disproportionate in their significance, in their social, human significance. Very much disproportionate.